Kinovea 0.7.10 - Bugs and defects go here

Just started using 0.7.10 and so am starting to find my way around.  Tried saving a analysis as the .mkv (Matroska) file type and nothing was saved.  I could easily have done something very basic quite wrong.
I have since gone back and this is what I have found so far.  I can save a single frame as a jpeg, I can save kva if it is part of the saving data and video together (the 4th choice of the save options) but in trying to open it even with Kinovea it returns as a "not valid Win32 file", any other type of file given as options when saving does not get saved (MP4, avi, mkv) including saving as a slide show.

In trying to save a file of any type (options are given) is there supposed to be an indicator/indication of some sort as to how the saving process is progressing?  Like a bar chart say that grows as the file is nearing being completely saved?

In trying to save the first file, above, nothing of that nature appeared and after a couple of minutes I just assumed the saving process was complete and then in closing the app I may not have allowed enough time to pass.  I certainly don't mind learning but working and then not knowing if the work has been saved or work not being saved will get frustrating very quickly!  If it starts as an avi file and is to be saved as a different file type one would assume there would be some time doing the conversion process.
The "second" time attempting I sort of doubt that time to convert is much of a factor as the video is just over a second long so whatever is done to it just should not take very long at all (to be safe I waited 10 minutes).

I am not what you would call the most adept working with computers but it almost feels like some codec issue, I mean there is more than one type of avi for example or that I am somehow missing a basic step in the process.

So far I would say quite good and I am sure usefulness will grow but it may become a matter of frustration growing more quickly.

When I go back to the folder where I tried to save, there is nothing...something similar to what you describe has occurred before (downloading videos) but there has always been an empty file, I guess maybe an empty "container".  If I run into such issues I tend to use GSpot to double check and it has always turned up no contents either.  It just appears to be "gone".
The couple of times through I gave it a unique name so as to make searching for it as easy as possible, and the search function in
XP Pro (fully updated) does not find anything either (not that I put 100% faith in anything MS).

I have all rights and am the only one accessing this computer (if the thought was someone had switched preferences or similar).

The only other thing I thought it could be was the .NET framework.  I have no knowledge of this so not sure what "hints" to look for if it is not functioning properly (I read most of the FAQs)...BUT, if I recall correctly from the FAQ it mentions the 2.0 version specifically at some point;  the latest update, which is what I made sure was installed before downloading Kinovea, is listed on the MS website as 3.5 SP1

Hi, I'll try to answer your questions:

- It sounds like there is a bug in the saving function of Kinovea, no doubt about that.
- (At the very least it should pop an error)
- Depending on where it fails in the saving process, you might end up with : nothing, an empty file, or a corrupted file.
- I don't think any pre processing done by VirtualDub could be a problem: If you can read it, you should be able to save it.
- From what you describe I would think it is input dependant. Can you try with other samples ? (For exemple, try with the help video you get in Help > Video Tutorials)
- Reduce the selection to a about 3 seconds and try to save, is that ok ?

If you can confirm that it is dependant on the input video, I would be interested in getting a sample that makes the app behave badly. (joan at kinovea dot org)

- About time "stamps" under key images.
These aren't actually time stamps, they are the titles of the key image. (you can modify it through the "Show Comment" icon).
It so happens that by default, the key image title is set to its current time within the selection. So if you play with selection, you can get the behavior you describe.

(I should probably make all this clearer...)

Not being able to save the static pics is another problem, and one I didn't hear about before.
The only thing I can think of is writing rights to the output folder, but we already ruled that out.

Can you please enable logging ?
To do that you must go to the installation folder and edit the file "LogConf.xml".
At line 12, replace
<level value="INFOS" />
with
<level value="DEBUG" />

I'm not too sure if we'll get a better understanding, but you will find the log file (under XP) at the following location :
C:\Documents and Settings\[your windows user name here]\Application Data\Kinovea\log.txt
("Application Data" may be a hidden folder)

Then please send me the resulting log by mail and we'll try to sort this out.

Thank you, and sorry for the frustration.

Hi,
I agree the tracking algorithm needs some work to be more consistent in actually following the object being tracked.

Please consider it only as a help / shortcut to avoid doing all the positionning by hand :
Tracking something automatically succesfully in all cases can hardly be done due to possible masking from other objects in the scene, deformation, rotation etc.
The approach was to design it for manual tracking first, and then improving it with some automation.

I use it in this way: position the first target on the object, mouse scroll to move forward a bit, verify the tracking along the way, repeat.
Each time the tracking is lost, I come back to the point of loosing, delete the mistracked trajectory through "Delete trajectory after this point" menu, readjust manually and restart my scrolling routine.

All that being said, I'll definitely try to improve it so it's more useful and easy to use.

Hi, I have the exact same problem.
   
I add lines and points (pencil)... (to a long video, many frames)...
I save (whatever the format) and at 53% the progress bar disappears with nothing else ...  when I open the saved file ... error.

Thanks,
LightRider

In any case, this Kinovea is simple to use and amazing in its features !